惨,不小心表达了不同“政见”被疏远了

  • x
    xijiti
    Posted by Xiaomi Redmi K20 Pro
    这么厉害的吗!
  • w
    wobushik
    看来你没看我前阵子在论坛发的贴,

    直接跟朋友反目了,我这还不算恨的,

    还听坛友说上门提亲,结果跟岳父政见不合吹了的
  • 反索倒史
    喷了,倒退了多少年?
  • z
    zengxx1986
    摆来听听?
  • b
    bluejq
    傻逼才和朋友叫这个还起争执。
  • d
    dorashop
    现实中聊政治我感觉肥肠傻逼。
  • j
    jidatui
    你们真是

    谈话聊天的时候,要想方设法证明对方是正确的。

    学术讨论的时候,要坚持自己的荒谬观点。
  • w
    wsxsr123
    zz算是男人的八卦.如果不聊还算什么男人。
    游戏,女人聊几次都这样,没意思。
  • x
    xijiti
    Posted by Xiaomi Redmi K20 Pro
    我身边的貌似相反耶
  • v
    v12
    最近聊必须死这种话题我用的战术就是,对没错什么叫必须死啊是已经死了,
    何止是tg,美英法德,毛子众,日韩全他妈完蛋了
    人类已经是不可逆转的玩完了 你居然认为换个老大未来就会变好?
    你丫是傻逼吗,居然还觉得会有未来?

    基本没输过 也不怕惹上麻烦
  • 迷雾惊魂
    除非是死党极的朋友可以聊,其他熟人一般就见风使舵,风往那吹就往那倒,未必是个人就能交心吗。
  • t
    toto6666
    子曰:“主忠信。无友不如己者。过则勿惮改。”

    孔子说:“做人重要的是诚实、守信用。不和自己志向不同的人做朋友。有了过错就不要怕改正。”
  • 迷雾惊魂
    最近怎么这么多傻逼
  • S
    Slowaction
    我同事聊这个我都默不作声.... 随他们说去... 关我pis
  • R
    Ransama
    赚钱移民要紧,谈什么国事
  • 1
    11点下线
    聊zz我只说事实不论观点,好处是跟你一个想法的心领神会,不跟你一个想法的也没话说
  • R
    Redofish
    物以类聚,估计你也差不多呢
  • S
    S.UNDAY
    要不怎么能在这论坛遇见你呢
  • 迷失的人
    拿他们一起陪葬怎样?
    看事不嫌事大,还死1亿人。
  • f
    fakeking
    现实中聊政治没意思 都是些屁民
  • w
    westlost
    别跟现实的人聊政治,你唤醒不
    了一个装睡的人
  • 神秘的陌生人
    我单位有人偶尔发个牢骚,我都给他们上党课,给他们背诵入党誓词,我们书记要拉我入党。
  • g
    grammyliu
    8 Ways to Lose Friends By Talking Politics

    Going along with the crowd is a problem. So are combattive discussions.

    Posted Sep 06, 2012

    Getting combattive when you talk politics may put you at risk for getting combattive in other group decision-making situations.

    Republicans and Democrats have become like a couple with marriage problems; they've become enemies. Political speeches too often degenerate into opportunities to malign and misinterpret opposing candidates.
    The antagonism modeled by our leaders is echoed by media commentators and, alas, in political discussions between friends and family. Over-heated posturing with denigration of differing viewpoints has become a cultural norm for talking about political topics.
    This adversarial style, alas, especially puts male friendships at risk because politics is right up there with sports as far as topics men most often talk about.
    The main alternative to argumentative discourse about political issues seems to have become avoidance altogether of political discussion. "Let's not talk politics!" That's sad for our country.
    If you want to be sure that political discussions don’t wreck your relationships, and especially guy to guy friendships, pay attention to these eight damaging political discussion tactics.

    1. Sarcasm.
    A dismissive tone worthy of Rachel Maddow on MSNBC or O’Reily on Fox may be what some folks want to listen to on TV, but it is rarely appealing to friends or a spouse.
    Psychologist John Gottman’s marriage research has found that a sarcastic dismissive attitude toward a partner’s comments is the single best predictor of divorce. That’s scarey. A perpetual sneer vis a vis your opposing political party’s viewpoint wins no arguments and can lose you your loved ones.

    2. Blocked listening
    In healthy dialogue, each participant listens to better understand the other’s perspective. The mutual uptake of new information gradually leads to consensus and creative solutions.
    By contrast, when folks who are talking politics listen only to argue away the other side’s input, participants develop increasingly negative feelings about each other. “But …, But …, But …” is likely to butt others out of your life. But erases what others say, and no one likes to feel erased.
    For a summary of good and bad listening habits plus a quick self-assessment quiz, you might want to check out my blogpost on listening patterns.

    3. A fixed belief system
    It's no fun talking politics to someone who is certain he has all the right answers. As beliefs consolidate into sets of ideas bounded by impenetrable walls, there will be increasing little uptake of non-confirmatory data, that is, ideas that differ from what you already believe. A fixed system of beliefs that allows for no additional data to enter is clinically termed a delusional system. In the context of political discussions we call a fixed belief system an ideology.
    Discussions in which one or both partners have fixed ideological beliefs with zero uptake of non-confirmatory data degenerate quickly into a tug-of-war about who is right and who is wrong.
    Discussion in which both sides learn from each other, increasingly broadening their understandings of issues, is healthy. Debate about who is right and who is wrong by contrast produces stalemated ideas and increasingly hostile relationships.

    4. Unwillingness to engage (“Let’s not talk politics”) or to allow the other side to speak.
    A pattern I see increasingly, especially among younger Americans, is unwillingness to allow the other side to speak. As soon as someone expresses a view that differs from their own, they walk away in fear or disgust, or talk louder and keep interrupting so alternative viewpoints cannot be expressed.
    The ability to tolerate and learn from differences is essential to healthy friendships, a loving marriage, and to a free society.

    5. Distortion of what the other side says.
    Many speakers at the Republican and Democratic conventions used their air time to berate opposing candidates for what they ostensibly are thinking and saying. These strategic distortions, designed to malign their opponent, instead make the speaker look untrustworthy.
    Distortions of an opponent's positions are lies. Many lies of this type are projections, that is, attributing to the other what the speaker himselft thinks or does. If you hear what seem to be false acusations, ask yourself what that acusation says about the speaker.

    6. Speaking for the other (“He thinks that…”).
    When folks use their air time in political discussions to misattribute negative motives and beliefs to members of the other political party, it is a big turn off to friends and family. Hearing someone misunderstand political leaders that you respect leads to feeling like they could easily similarly misinterpret you. Not safe to connect too closely with someone like that.

    7. Bad-mouthing opposing perspectives.
    Derogatory labeling of the other side similarly risks hurting your relationships. It's a conversation ender. Far better as you listen to an opposing perspective to listen for something you can agree with. e.g., If your friendadvocates, "We've got to raise taxes so we can give folks who are having hard times more handouts," you might respond, "I certainly agree that many people in this country need a helping hand." The more expression of agreement, the more the dialogue will feel productive.
    As you then continue the dialogue by adding your perspective, be sure your link work is additive, i.e, and or and at the same time, not but.

    8. Escalated emotional intensity.
    Friendly dialogue proceeds in gentle voice tones. As folks get increasingly adversarial, their voices get louder and the words flow faster. Unpleasant volumes and high-risk speeds make continuation of the discussion, and maybe even of the relationship, feel unsafe.
    The more anger, the more of a turn-off to others who have to listen. Also, the more anger, the less listening anyone in the conversation will be likely to do. Trying to listen to a point being made by someone who is angry is like trying to drink from a firehose. Ever tried that? Don’t. It hurts.
    Angry folks make it hard for you to listen. They also become deaf themselves. When a person is mad, his viewpoint feels holy and others’ viewpoints seem to him totally insignificant. All he can hear is himself.

    The moral of the story
    If you want to enjoy healthy relationships when you are talking politics with your friends (and with lovers as well) and you are going to engage in a political discussion, remind yourself early and often to stay cool.
    Keep your ears open so that you can listen for what makes sense in what others say. Treat what others say respectfully, listening in the best possible light to their differing perspective.
    Add your own thoughts without downgrading others'. Again, keep your voice quiet and neutral. Avoid arguing, persuading, or stumping for your perspective. Just calmly put your thoughts out on the table. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
    If you want to be especially persuasive, talk lessand instead ask questions. The best question begin with How or What, e.g., What is most important to you as you pick whom to vote for as President? What's your understanding of what each candidate would do about that issue? How did you feel about .....?
    Asking people to explain their concerns often leads them to reassess more effectively than barraging them with information from your perspective. In addition, understanding their concerns enables you to focus your comments on the informatin that might make a difference to them.
    If when you've been talking politics you can end with a conclusion about ways in which you both are right, you have earned a gold star. Wear it proudly, feeling good that your political discussion skills will protect your relationships, and that you have been a fine contributor to the democracy which makes our country so very special.
  • g
    galanodel
    现实中聊政治很傻逼,但不能聊政治更傻逼
  • q
    qdfishmen
    现实中去聊ZZ和屁股,那是得有多SHABI
    不管你屁股在哪边 ,如果不一致 不是你得罪他 就是他得罪你
    即便两个人一致做了美分,搞不好对面偷偷做小动作,变成以后你的把柄
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    elia
    Posted by Vivo NEX S
    现实中尽量不聊政治TGFC·NG
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    grammyliu
    就是这样,但是很多傻逼就是不懂这个道理
  • z
    zhuliang
    分享缩卵经验喷了。
  • 岩波书店
    谈政治本真无所谓是否sb,让这件事sb的是你跟什么人来往。如果你跟一群sb交往,你跟他们谈什么都非常sb。
  • A
    Allenz
    现实中聊政治就是挺傻逼的一件事,包括至亲好友都不要轻易开这个话题,除非是特别三观一致的。

    现在网络上聊也是TM挺傻逼的一件事。
  • d
    djkiller
    你还当真了
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    328928249
    额。。我爸说太多我就会偶尔说他两句。。大部分时间我都懒得说话。。
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    magicleo
    加65535,我司聊zz大家认为我美分,一个当过兵的同事算你坛标准的粉红,次次大家能意见不同,不妨碍一起出去玩,吃饭好盆友。









    当然也可能是因为我发工资
  • 億万千
    聊政治比较有特点的是,这个话题很常见,但能非常直观的表现出个人本质
    有的话题很常见,比如游戏,生儿育女,中午吃什么,反映不了什么,纯废话
    有的话题能反映点什么,比如重男轻女,LGBT,民族主义,不过一般不会聊到
    但是政治,和每个人息息相关,话题又那么深刻,或许这就是魅力8
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    grammyliu
    我们确实是如此定义“傻逼”的:跟我屁股和想法不一致的都是“傻逼”,虽然我们知道我们这样不客观不公平不PC,但是我们还是深深地觉得他们就是“傻逼”,说白了,一个人因为阶级性导致的意识形态,怎么也抹除不了

    本帖最后由 grammyliu 于 2019-8-1 03:24 通过手机版编辑
  • 喜欢它likeit
    你赢了
  • K
    KARUTO
    我觉得人与人的交流中,政见是比较高的沟通层次,远远高于关于衣食住行等日常必需项目的交流,甚至要排在三观之上,也就是人生观 价值观 社会观,政见也可以看作三观的精炼和升华。

    所以在你其他交流都没理顺,不了解对方的情况下直接丢出你的政见,我个人觉得是搞错了沟通的顺序,产生不良反应也是可以预见的状况

    如果你真的想和身侧的人搞好关系,就说他们听得懂能了解的语言,多倾听再做出回应,选择性的给出自己的观点,那样就不会那么生硬和尴尬了

    本帖最后由 KARUTO 于 2019-8-1 04:09 通过手机版编辑
  • 迷失的人
    和傻逼爹妈一起难为泥潭中年人了